Does Allen County have any elected Republicans left?
June 16th, 2009, 5:24 pm · 12 Comments · posted by rlederman
I sent the below e-mail to the Allen County Republican Party after seeing another push by a local group to raise the sales tax. Included in the group is former Commissioner Alberta Lee. I’ve also been told that Commissioners Sam Bassitt and Dan Reiff are looking for ways to get support for increasing the tax. Reiff, you might recall, pledged only last fall that he would not vote to raise the sales tax.
The e-mail is addressed to Keith, as in party Chairman Keith Cheney. Poor guy has to run a party without any Republicans in it.
Keith,
Wasn’t there a time when Republicans would find a way to cut - even if it meant cutting more - during a bad economy rather than increasingly pushing for new taxes?
Just wondering, given the Taft taxes and the push now going in Allen County, with Commissioners Dan Reiff and Sam Bassitt seemingly in favor of increasing the sales tax, which former Commissioner Alberta Lee supports. All are Republican, at least in name.
Just wondering,
Ron Lederman
rlederman@limanews.com
419-993-2078
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Ron, I am thinking more you way all the time anymore. I am wondering if there is any true Republicans left in the whole United States. This is why I left the Republican Party. I am still to strong of a Conservative to go to your party, Libertarians. Instead I went to the Constitution Party. I think the Democrats and the Republicans have emerged into one party. Including, Local, State and Federal. Even John McCain was not a true old fashion Republican. The only reason I even voted and stuck to the Republican Party. Was because of Sarah Palin. Now this is where we again, may disagree. I am a big supporter of Sarah Palin. She is a true all American Woman in my believe.
Jane,
Libertarians are perhaps the most politically conservative party out of all those you have mentioned. Please don’t confuse social conservatism with political and financial conservatism. I too used to consider myself a Republican until the party became concerned with only socially conservative issues whole at the same time adopting financially liberal ideals. You should read up more on what the Libertarian platform stands for (a country ruled by the Constitution is about as conservative as you can get) before dismissing it as liberal.
-Dave
What Dave said. Kind of. I am not a Libertarian. I am a libertarian. Big difference. One is a party, the other a philosophy. The big L is like Republican or Democrat, where the little L is like conservative or liberal.
That said, Jane, much of what you oppose me on is not Libertarian or libertarian. It is Ron. Libertarian, in the philosophical sense, deals only with government, what it should do, what it should not do. The libertarian position on gay marriage, for example, might be that marriage isn’t the business of government, period, but it should be done evenly if the state is going to be involved. There’s no moral judgment either way with libertarianism, only whether it’s government’s business. I go further than that.
You can have good Christians and bad agnostics agree on whether it’s government’s place to enforce a moral good (it is not) but then disagree on whether it’s OK in a spiritual sense for an individual to do something.
I know Jane also thinks I’m a liberal for having voted for Obama. Lucente thinks the same. It’s unfortunate, but neither seems to understand I voted for him to make sure the Republicans got a liberal in office, since that is what they proposed by nominating McCain, and since that is what we had in a fiscal sense through eight years of Bush. If Republicans wanted a 7 on that scale, I thought they should get a 10 instead. Two years of Clinton did wonders for Gingrich and the Republicans. Unfortunately, Boehner is no Gingrich so the GOP is still stumbling even though it should have an easy rallying point. And then we come home to the tax-raising, we-need-government crowd of the GOP running the local party.
Ok, I see where both of you are coming from. And I could I do agree with the libertarians very much. When it comes to the Government keeping their nose out of my business. But, I am also very strong in my faith and religion. Therefore, on issues I don’t agree with. I don’t want to be forced to accept, or forced into accepting something, I don’t agree with. That is with the Homosexual issue. If two people want to be Homosexuals, that is find. It is there life. But, don’t force your life style upon me or my family, either. And this is what I feel the Homosexuals have been doing. Pushing there life style upon us that don’t agree with it. By pushing for so called their equal rights. They have the same rights as every other American. They chose to be that way. We didn’t. What Homosexuals do in their own home or even bedrooms. Is their Freedom to do it! But, keep it there! And I don’t hate them either. I have a lesbian niece, on my Husband side of the family. And a lesbian cousin on my side of the family. Our niece, knows that we don’t agree with her life style. But, she knows that we still love her as a family member. Ok. Hope you see where I come from. And this is the way most of us Christians feel. That don’t agree with the Homosexual life style. And, this is why I can’t be fully a libertarian. I have very strong religious believes that I will not give up for any reason.
Jane, I think I’ve told you this but I’ll try again: Unless someone is raping you, no one is forcing homosexuality on you.
Again, libertarian is about the role of government. Lucente and I have very different religious views, for example. but we accept that the other is free to believe what he believes. We don’t think government should tell us what we have to or cannot believe.
What a complete load of hogwash. Really Jane you should stick with the Republican party because you seem to be right in step with their main points these days. Libertarians are NOT trying to “force” homosexuality on you. In fact, they are basically doing the opposite. The libertarian (note small “l”) philosophy is that the government has no right to legislate the issue one way or the other. What upsets you is that they do not support the state sponsored discrimination that Republicans (and many others) do. The government has no right to legislate morality to any of us. It simply is not a power granted by the constitution. Trust me, no libertarian will ask you to give up your personal religious beliefs. At the same time, we do believe that your personal religious and moral beliefs should not be the basis of legislation that affects the country as a whole. Seems pretty simple to me.
-Dave
As I have said on the Website. I have left the Republican Party. Because, they have emerged with the Democrats. But, I have decided to join the Constitution Party. Because of my Religious believes. Even though I basically believe in some of the Libertain way of thinking. I can’t be a Libertarian, because I feel the Libertarians and various other parties think men is sovereign and has all the answers, therefore, changes in cultural views and morals will result in changes in law and its interpretation. History has shown the cultures which have no absolutes end in anarchy. This is what I see in the Libertarian Party. There is no absolutes in what you all believe in. I see this difference between Ron and Tom. Tom has his way of thinking and you have yours. To me, I would say that Tom was more of a Conservative and you lean more toward being a Liberal. But, yet both of you say you are of the same political party. This is why I went to the Constitution Party. It is the only Party that acknowledges the sovereignty of God and believes that our rights come from God not government. Which I do agree with. The Constitution Party affirms the original Constitution framework of federalism (sovereign states) and separation of power, and calls for the repeal of all laws and the elimination of all government programs not authorized by the Constitution. And even here I may disagree some with this party. But, it is the closet Political Party anymore that I do agree with most of their believe . So you see Dave, I am not a Republican anymore!
Jane, if all our rights come from god, why are you worried about the constitution — which on its face gives us rights?
Jane, what do you do in local elections, since the Constitution Party generally only runs presidential candidates? Why not just say you’re conservative, then bounce around among parties to pick the best candidate?
As for the party that enforces God’s will, which most Christian religions still say is free will, you might like the Taliban, you know, other than that not being able to speak out thing. But it’s God’s will that you cover your face and not speak and all. We don’t want to argue with God’s will, do we, Jane?
I don’t vote that much in the Primaries anyhow. And in the General elections. No matter what party a person belong to. They can vote for whom ever they want. So it really don’t matter on your party. Only in the Primary. I don’t vote in every primary. Also, in primarys a person can just vote for issues and not people anyhow.
I didn’t mean primaries, Jane. I meant the November elections that happen for three consecutive Novembers in between presidential elections.
You know, like in 20004, we voted for president. Then in 2005 there were local issues and races. Then in 2006, we voted for statewide races and Congress. Then in 2007, more local issues and races. Finally, four years after the previous presidential election, we again voted for president.
Since the Constitution Party was only on your ballot in 2004 and 2008 in the above years, did you not vote for governor in 2006? There was a Libertarian and a Green to go with the two major party guys, but no constitution Party candidate. Assuming that’s the case again in 2010, which party do you vote for if you’re a believer in the Taliban, er, um, Constitution Party?
Eventually, let’s discuss the name of that party and its professed beliefs. Do you realize a Creator is mentioned once in the Declaration, Nature’s God is mentioned once in the preamble, and there is no mention of any deity in the Constitution?
In the pass. I have voted for an Republican. And here on out I would vote for whom I felt was the best person. We do have other choices on the Nov. ballot. We don’t have to vote in Nov. with our party. And as far as what I believe. With my Religion. I don’t discuss that at all. Ron. You know by now. I believe what I believe and that is it! And right now the Constitution Party is the best one for me to put down on my voters Registration. We still have that freedom to choose what Political Party we want to be long too. I think! Unless, Mr. Obama and his cronies have change that, too. And as I said, There are some thing with the Constitution Party that I don’t fully agree with. But, it is the one right now close to what I believe. Us Conservatives needs our own party. The Republicans sure have left us down. And no way will I ever go to the Democrat Party.