The militant Christians celebrate the season
November 30th, 2009, 7:48 pm · 18 Comments · posted by rlederman
The first snow hasn’t yet fallen, but already the first angry Christian letter of the Christmas season has made its way to my desk.
How nice that they remember the reason for the season, as they say, by urinating on what he represents.
Here the Christians are celebrating the birth of their savior, and they’re going to kick the hind sides of anyone who doesn’t celebrate as the Christians see fit. It’s like they took their cue from Chevy Chase in “National Lampoon’s Vacation,” telling us we’re going to have a good time whether we like it or not.
The “Christian” equivalent is telling us we’re going to say “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy holidays” or whatever else is said this time or year. If you don’t, well, they’re going to get snarky, snippy and smart-alecky. They’re out maxing out the credit cards to remember that Christmas is about the birth of Christ, so don’t you go messing it up by being inclusive.
Pretty sure it’s in Luke where Christ said setting a good example is stupid when you can humiliate a person to make your point instead.
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Oh wow! Scorch……..
I’m a Christian, but I agree with you. It’s like a church preaching against Excess, and living a loving Christian lifestyle, then hosting a full on MMA fight style Beer tent, and more gambling than a Shawnee Reservation Casino…..
I am always amazed b those who profess to follow the teachings of what we believe to be a very humble, loving, forgiving and inclusive man who, (according to the scriptures that Evangelical Christians supposedly follow literally as the “absolute and only truth”) not only accepted and tolerated everyone but also professed understanding and love for even his enemies!
Phew! That was a long sentence. Ahhh….but tis the season; and, lest we forget it has very little to do with love, peace, kindness, and respect for each wonderful creature on this planet let’s make sure that we piss on those who dare to “wish us well” during this season in a way that is not acceptable to our own personal beliefs.
Whether it is Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, or Happy New Year — the message — the sentiment is the same. Someone has taken a second of their life to wish you well. And I will take that in any form with great appreciation.
It’s interesting that in an effort to dimension something in the name of being “All Inclusive” we start to attack those that are tired of seeing something they belief in continually attacked. Christ’s Mass (commonly known as Christmas) is the celebration of Christ’s birth, not Happy Holidays.
You need to understand the price that Christians have paid to have the right to celebrate the “Birth of our Savior”. Christ was not born on the 25th of December as it is celebrated. By accounts in the scriptures he was probably born in the spring. The celebration of Jesus birth is therefore “Symbolic” and ended up on the 25th of December to coincide with the Winter Solstice. This allowed Christians to celebrate at a time of year when others were celebrating different beliefs without fear of being killed for theirs.
Although you may be cynical about the celebration of Christmas, some of us do hold the celebration of this day with reverence and do not appreciate your comments! Oh by the way, I don’t have to accept your actions and criticisms to be a loving Christian. I can live with Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, Happy New Year or whatever you want to call it. Don’t criticize me for saying “Merry Christmas”.
Um, Lincoln, maybe you need to reread a couple things. Start with my blog entry, as I never suggested cynicism toward Christmas, only toward the flakiest of Christians (check a mirror) who think they somehow are being oppressed, repressed and depressed if someone else doesn’t share their faith. Nice touch, though, suggesting anyone who doesn’t share your warped view of doing Jesus the Conqueror’s work is somehow not Christian.
Second, um, read the Bible again. Not a thing in there about Christ suggesting his followers kick a little ass (even retailer ass) to make his point
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Just not there.
And, really, save us the crap about all that Christians have suffered. You weren’t part of it, but you somehow feel obligated to smite the descendants of those who might have made early Christianity rough? I mean, Jesus Christ already.
Underneath the impish exterior is an angry imp.
This is why i love Ron….He writes just to get people fired up..then Stokes the Fire as the comments Roll in.
Good Job Ron!
You are probably correct, I might of missed something that caused you to make this post. If I have, I apologize (In a Biblical Sense – I am humbling myself).
As for oppressed, repressed and depressed – well we will have to agree to disagree if you don’t think that Christianity and values that it teaches aren’t under attack. We can’t pray in schools (we might offend someone), for the sake of being tolerant we are asked to accept gay marriage (political correctness) and the list could continue. Politicians say we need illegal immigrants because there aren’t enough Americans to do the jobs. I wonder if the millions of babies that haven’t been born over the last few decades could have filled those jobs?
I don’t know that I’ve suggested that you share my faith, practice the way I do or believe as I believe. We are given choice and you practice as you see fit and I do as I see fit. I don’t see that there is anything wrong with that. In fact, I appreciate that you have given people the opportunity to voice differing opinions. For that your forum is of great value.
As for Christ suggesting that his followers kick a little ass – l’m not sure where it says that a Christian can’t defend themselves or must be a pacifist. Moses, David, and Sampson all had histories of kicking butt (the list could go on). As for Jesus, I believe he did go into the market and kick the butt of the money changers himself.
As for “And, really, save us the crap about all that Christians have suffered”. Suffering is a part of life whether Christian or not. Understanding the suffering of others is an important part of being a Christian. Adam and Eve suffered as a consequence of their choice, the people of Israel suffered in Egypt, Christ suffered on the cross. Understanding this suffering is an important part of being a Christian. Understanding the consequences of our decisions through some form of values helps keep some sanity in the world. By that I mean we have laws that regulate behavior – kill or rob from a person and you get this punishment. I guess the Bible does give us some guidance on those things also.
In any case, thanks for providing this forum for people that have similar and dissimilar points of view. That is what makes this a Great country. Oh by the way, have a Happy Holidays.
You should learn English before arguing in it. Christianity under attack would mean someone, presumably someone in authority, was telling you that you no longer can live as you believe, to practice what you believe.
Your two examples — prayer in school and gay marriage — I’ll give you this: At least I need two arguments to pick yours apart. Good for you. It’s a start toward thinking rationally.
Prayer in school. Pretty simple. It’s allowed. In private schools, where parents spend their own money to educate their children, rather than forcing everyone in a community to educate their children. Taxes make it public. Being public means it has to adhere to the First Amendment, that thing about Congress, but it applies to all levels of government, shall make no law establishing religion.
Rather than saying you should be free to take my taxes to educate your children and then to shove your religion on other people’s children, perhaps you should fight to eliminate public schools.
Gay marriage? How exactly is the Christian affected. OH MY GOD, he might be offended. So that is Christianity under attack? Are you being forced into a homosexual relationship, even to watch? Do you have to go to the wedding? If government forcing it upon your church?
I grew up going between Catholicism and Baptism, and there you have two religions (both private institutions) that never will accept gay marriage. It’s their call, they’re private. But if government is going to mandate that two people who have a contract (which is all marriage is at the state level) get to share benefits and the such, it should apply to all people.
You don’t have to like it. You don’t have to do it. No one is attacking you though. Attacking would be, say, crucifying you for saying you’re the son of God, stoning you to death for professing to follow the man you consider the Savior or even government telling you that you no longer may practice your religion.
Look to China or the Middle East if you want to see Christianity under attack. But you listen to a couple Fox News talking heads, and suddenly everyone not walking lockstep with your religious views is attacking you. Do words’ meanings count for nothing anymore?
Private schools in Ohio receive tax money at levels that are more significant than you might think. If you check you’ll find that Catholic Schools in the area receive $X00,000’s of our tax dollars. Under your thought process private schools either shouldn’t receive that money or be able to teach religion? I’m not clear on that one.
Oh by the way, have a Happy Holidays!
They receive $X00,000’s? Is that a lot? Is that a new number?
Or is it a guess on your part?
Whatever the case, I think my thought process is clear: Catholic schools should not receive state money.
One way they receive it is when parents pull their children out of failing public schools. Get rid of public schools, and you’d likely have reason to eliminate the state’s per-pupul payment to schools, be they public or private. But I don’t think you can get rid of state funding for Catholic schools in the current setup. They step in where we have failing public schools. Frankly, take a look around; they generally only exist where there are large, failing public schools. We have exception, as in Delphos, but mostly the Catholic schools that are growing are in larger metro areas.
But what are you saying? Because private schools get money, public schools should teach religion or have prayer?
I’m trying to understand your logic. This was your post: “Taxes make it public. Being public means it has to adhere to the First Amendment, that thing about Congress, but it applies to all levels of government, shall make no law establishing religion. ”
Catholic Schools are getting Tax money that comes from the Government. Which way is it, either the Government allows religion in Schools or it doesn’t. Are we selectively appling the standards?
Are you stupid or just trying to be difficult? I’m not arguing both. I simply went from telling you best case in my view to real world.
I said Catholic schools should not get state money, anymore than any religious institution should. That’s best case.
Real world, they get money because they exist in places where the public schools fail. Since both parties somehow buy the idea that it is the state’s responsibility to educate children and many public schools fails, Republicans have made it a point to keep private schools — including the Catholic ones — as an escape option.
But, since parents willing send their children to Catholic schools, even with state money coming in, you have choice. Since the state would arrest parents if they didn’t send their kids to school at all, not so much choice in public schools. Thus those of you who don’t think your religion matters unless everyone practices it don’t get to force it on the rest of us in schools that are funded wholly by tax dollars.
If you want to keep being an amatuer lawyer, have at it, but I think I’ve been pretty clear on the difference
Lincolnls,
Give it up. Don’t try and have a debate with Ron about religon, for some reason his has a chip on his shoulder about Christians. He calls you stupid and is snarky in his comments about your views, been there done that. Don’t bother it’s not worth it.
Come on, Scant. I’m only like that when one of you decide to try to explain why you should be able to force your views on the rest of us or when you get all pissy around Christmas about everyone not sharing your beleif.
Other than that, I don’t care about your religious views. Do and believe what you like. It’s all good. Just don’t force it on others.
I have a letter called: “A Letter From Jesus Christ, concerning His birthday celebration.”
It goes like this: If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it.
1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don’t have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
3. Instead of writing John Doe complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don’t you write and tell him that you’ll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up. It will be nice hearing from you again.
4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can’t afford and they don’t need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5. Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don’t know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile it could make the difference. Also, you might consider supporting the local Hot-Line: they talk with people like that every day.
7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren’t allowed to wish you a “Merry Christmas” that doesn’t keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn’t make so much money on that day they’d close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families.
8. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary, especially one who takes My love & Good News to those who have never heard My name. You may already know someone like that.
9. Here’s a good one. There are individuals & whole families in your town who not only will have no “Christmas” tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don’t know them (and I suspect you don’t) buy some food & a few gifts & give them to the Marines, the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes in Me& they will make the delivery for you.
10. Finally if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don’t do things in secret that you wouldn’t do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
P.S Don’t forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me & do what I have told you to do. I’ll take care of all the rest. Check out the list above & get to work; time is short. I’ll help you, but the ball is now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love and remember,
I LOVE YOU.
Jesus
linconlnis, give it up with Ron. He is not worth it. He is a Newspaper person. He thinks he knows it all. Just because that is his so is job. linconlnis, it is ok for the Atheist to claim we offend them. But, they could give a hoot rather they offend us Christians or not by changing the routines of our Holy Holidays. Which they do! Hey, look what was done to Jesus. Don’t you think we can take Ron and the others on here and just over look them. And just consider the source as to who wrote this column, and the others that is posting. Go back and read my post on what I wrote. I think the letter that Ron is talking about. The one about not saying Merry Christmas. That is what real Christianity is about. It’s what I posted under that letter. Let it go! By the way everyone! MERRY CHRISTMAS! If that offends you. TOUGH! I am a Militant Christian and proud of it! Jesus was a Militant in his days, too. By going against the Jewish faith and the Romans of those days. In what he was Preaching or Teaching. That is why the Romans put Him on the Cross. They didn’t agree or like what He was teaching others, either. Jesus was offending them, too. Merry Christmas!
By the way. The Romans and the Jewish big shots thought that Jesus was pushing his beliefs on them too. Again, that is why they put him on the Cross. No one is pushing Christianity on anyone. If a person can’t respect our Christian Holiday. Than don’t say anything! We are not making you or anyone say Merry Christmas. But, if a Christian does. That is our right to do it. No matter where we say it at or who to. That is our Rights! Again, if it offends a person. Sorry, but Tough! Christmas is a Christian Holiday! It is the non-Christians that have made it a secular money hungry Holiday. And who would love to do away with Christmas. Their are many Scrooges out there anymore. Merry Christmas! CHRISTmas.
Well, of course you must have many examples of non-christians attempting to “do away with Christmas”, I mean how else could you make such a statement Would you please list a couple of examples for us?
The bulk of this thread centers on a discussion centers on religion and tax issues regarding schools, a discussion started by the seasonal “they’ve taken prayer out of schools” claim. How exactly do you “take prayer out of school”? If a student, teacher, or staff member wants to pray in the building, who can that be stopped? In fact, who would even know that person HAD prayed? Do you need to don a white robe, light a candle and kneel before an alter to pray to Jesus? …the answer is no. You can do it sitting at a desk, standing at your locker, pushing your broom…anytime ,anywhere, eyes open, eyes closed. You cannot “take prayer out” of a school, office, prison or any other building….the notion is ridiculous. What you are actually fighting for is organized, public/government-sponsored group prayer for no other purpose than to ligitimize your religion….which in itself is ridiculous as you live in a country whose citizenry, including elected officials and those with power, is 80% christian! You are punching a straw man created by Sean Limbaugh.